Minnesota Iceman

The Minnesota Iceman has had much written about it over the years since it came to light and subsequently disappeared. Today there is a lot of incorrect information circulated and while I do not believe it was a Sasquatch, there have been more creatures reported that are of the "wildman" variety, and The Iceman could have been one of these. Someone who has been involved in the Bigfoot/Sasquatch issue a very long time, and has personal knowledge of the Minnesota Iceman himself related some facts regarding this recently. Doug Tarrant, former member of Bill Haley and the Comets fame, American Bandstand, former deputy sheriff , involved with the filming of the Legend of Boggy Creek and has 11 films to his credit, and three time Sasquatch witness sent the information I will share here, First is Doug's exchange with Steven Monk of the Georgia Bigfoot Society, followed by the paper Ivan Sanderson wrote after examining the "original" iceman. The original body encased in a block of ice was replaced shortly after it was examined by Sanderson and Bernard Heuvelmans. 

Doug Tarrant sent me this e-mail exchange with Steven Monk of the Georgia Bigfoot Society recently:

"Hi again Steven, post this on your site, in regards to one of your researchers as he was misinformed on some details on the Minnesota Iceman and Bluff Creek incident.

He writes:

(Steve) - I have also heard the story that the Minnesota Iceman was one of the creatures in the supposed "Bluff Creek massacre." If thats really true, then why would the murderers want such a human looking body paraded around the country in a block of ice? I doubt we'll ever get to the bottom of that mystery."

Doug writes:

"But we did... here are some of the facts and answers.

FACT:  The Minnesota Iceman wasn't one of the creatures reportedly shot at Bluff Creek California.

The Iceman was shot a year earlier in Minnesota.

I have personal friends in Winona Minnesota who knew Frank Hansen who shot the creature in 1966, and stored the body in a block of ice that he kept in his barn on his farm.

Frank later leased out the iceman to a carnival to travel the country. Listed as the "Missing Link".....charged 25 cents for a viewing.

FACT:  It was originally reported that the Patterson/Gimlin film of "Pattie" of 1967 was just a short film of Pattie, walking away from the camera.

The name "Pattie" was named after Patterson's wife.

FACT:  A digital computer expert named M.K. Davis was the one who stabilized the film and enlarged it as we know it today.

FACT:  It was several years later and much more experimenting with that same film that M.K. Davis found what was rumored as PROOF that Pattie was shot in the leg and that a possible "massacre" had taken place with bodies left back at the site where Pattie was walking away from.

This caused a lot of problems and people like John Green and others disputed that it ever happened. Later there was a big "cover up" that came about.

FACT:  M.K. called me and said he was going to be in the Lake tahoe area for skiing and wanted to show me his "proof" on his laptop computer.

The day we were to meet, his buddy hurt his leg in a skiing accident and M.K. had to drop everything and rush him to the hospital and we weren't able to get together.

FACT:  Loren Coleman posted on his blog site that no such massacre happened and that M.K. Davis was full of sh!t!!

M.K. attended a BF conference and showed a slide show of his evidence. It was

 too hard for everyone to believe and M.K. was boo'd.

Loren then had John Green and others say that it wasn't so (?)

M.K. then dropped off the BF sites and went underground. Only a few knew where he was.

M.K. then got a photographer and they proceeded to make a movie of the evidence.

years passed

Rumor had it that the film was covered up by the government. (?)

Keep in mind the government prefers to keep Bigfoot a MYTH like they do UFO's.

I've had a run in with the government when I tried to hunt down and kill the Fouke Monster when I was on location when the movie "Legend of Boggy Creek" was filmed in 1970.

The Governor jumped all over me and told me that the Fouke Monster had been migrating in and out of that area for over 68 years and was the the Arkansas State's pet. And it was going to remain alive and stay a MYTH.....Or else.

I had asked the local sheriff if it was safe to hunt those woods where moonshine was still being made.

He said no... and that most of those moonshiners were his kin.... and they shoot!

 I later found out that the Smithsonian and the Government are in cahoots for cover ups.

I've known three CIA agents over the years and its in the best interest of the mass (sheeple) to NOT KNOW of such things existing because of religious overtones and shutdown of prime forests.

If proven to exist... and proven to be "humans"... the ACLU would demand human rights to sanction reservation land to protect the feral type humans. You remember what the spotted owl did for shutting down timber producing lands of the PNW.

So we're dealing with a MYTH...... (wink wink).

Its interesting to note that when Frank Hansen shot his iceman a year earlier (1966) than the Patterson/Gimlin film (1967)... Frank had a meeting with Patterson to that effect that his specimen (the iceman) was also some unknown creature and it didn't look anything like "Pattie" but was some sort of creature as well.

I studied the iceman in 1967 and 1868 before it was switched with a latex model.

The Smithsonian sent Ivan T. Sanderson and Bernard Heuvelmans to Frank Hansen's farm to inspect and take photographs of the iceman thru the ice.

Having been shot.... the  F.B.I. wanted to also check it out in case it was a wild man (human) and a possible homicide occurred. It was when the F.B.I. got interested, that Frank panicked and took the cadaver up into Canada and disposed of it.

When Frank couldn't get his refrigerated truck back into the USA from Canada, Senator walter Mondale (of Minnesota) was asked to help of which he did but wouldn't comment further as to what he knew. I have that letter in my files.

The plot thickened and ended there. Covered up??

Frank then had a couple latex/rubber models made and the carnival toured with them.

When the F.B.I. inspected the fake models, they lost interest and wrote it off.

The article in ARGOSY magazine was screwed up with details. The  late B. Ann Slate, who was my sidekick on some of my expeditions, wrote for ARGOSY and FATE magazines and said that all the details were off base. All wrong.

So if I've shed some light on all the confusion, then good!

Facts get all twisted around and ass-backwards and  rumors get out of kilt and passed on.

Then we have some infiltrators (of government involvement) that try and confuse facts for their cover up effects.

This is Ivan Sanderson's report on his observations after examining the Iceman:

             

Preliminary Description of the External Morphology of What Appeared to be the fresh corpse of a Hitherto Unknown Form of Living Hominid
This paper describes, in somewhat general terms, the results of a preliminary inspection of the corpse of what appeared to be some form of large primate of hominid form. The notion that it is a "composite", manufactured from parts of human corpses and/or other animals, must, of course, still be considered, since the body has not yet actually been examined; should it be, the artist, who put it together, inserting several million hairs in a skin before it rotted or was preserved, would have to have had some concept to work from, and there is no such extant.


This for the following reason. This body is not that of any known hominid or pongid and, what is much more significant, it does not conform to any reconstruction or artist's conception of any fossil man or ape or other anthropoid. Its general features and particular characters as detailed above display an extraordinary mixture of what have until now been assigned either to men or apes, but it also shows others that have never been assigned or attributed to any of either.


However, two separate companies specializing in model-making for waxwork museums, exhibits, and film companies in Hollywood California, have been traced, and individual model-makers working for both have stated that they made copies with wax or latex and using hair from bears. Mr. Hansen, the caretaker, informed us in January of this year that such a model had been made in April of 1967 because the owner of the original was worried about its safety. An object such as this could possibly be constructed, starting with the skin of a large male, pale-skinned chimpanzee, using a human skull, glovemakers wood racks for the hands, and so forth. The original could have been of this nature, and then a copy, or copies, made from it.


Just in case this might not be the origin of the specimen, we should consider the alternative; namely, that it is a genuine corpse of a comparatively recently killed specimen--not "fossilized" in any way -- of some form of parahominid. This is the considered opinion of Heuvelmans and is based on as thorough an examination as he was able to make considering that the specimen is encased in ice that is more than half opaque, and sunk about two feet below the glass cover of its container. And, if this is the correct interpretation, we would opine that it would more probably be on the hominid rather than the pongid stem of anthropoid evolution. Just where it should be placed on that stem can not, of course, be said until it has been properly examined out of its ice envelopment. Further, and much more important, will be any analysis of its blood, plasma and other body fluids, if they are still sufficiently preserved for typing. Even then, we may well be confounded because this specimen displays such a combination of characters attributed to the two presently thought quite widely separated families of anthropoid primates. And this constrains us to add a note of added caution.


In view of the fact that pongids and hominids have now been shown to fall into several groups, together--vide the Caucasoid and Congoid hominids with the gorillas and chimpanzees on the one hand; and the Mias, Siamangs, and Gibbons among the pongids with the Mongoloid hominids on the other, is it not possible that not only the hominids but the pongids have a grid-like genetic origin? If this be the case, could the concept not be further extended to include all the anthropoids so that there may have been--and, in this case may still be truly "manlike apes" and "apelike men"? This specimen is by several criteria a hominid, noticeably by its feet, but it has many pongid characters. Are the diagnostic features we are currently employing to separate the apes from men valid? If not, are both our families invalid, and could both groups form but one complex? If so, we will have to add the "Hairy Man" to Desmond Morris' 'Naked Ape'. Anything of this nature will absolutely demand an overall revision of our ideas of both physical and social anthropolpgy, and will present a somewhat alarming problem to scientists and religionists alike.


This author's personal opinion as to the precise identity of this specimen is at the moment not formulated. As a trained zoologist and one who spent many years collecting mammalian and particularly primate specimens for examination, dissection and preservation in the field and while fresh, we would not presume to make any definite pronouncement upon anything other than a purely generalised, overall description of its external appearance. The corpus must be freed from its ice encasement and properly examined first. However, some speculation as to the taxonomic status of this creature, if it finally proves to be real, is perhaps permissible, since we do have detailed measurements and photographs to back it up.


It is Heuvelmans' opinion, which he states categorically in his paper, that this body represents the fresh remains of a neanderthaloid human. Such hominids are currently classed as a sub-species of Homo sapiens, yet Heuvelmans has named this item Home pongoides, and thus of full specific rank. Though we suggested that appellation (pongoides) in the first place, we envisaged it either as a subspecific to H. sapiens--since we have no idea as to the external morphology of the fossil neanderthaloids--or merely as a possible specific for some other genus of anthropoid. However, this suggestion was purely tentative in that, despite the existence of this specimen, we have no more idea of its anatomy, histology, or physiology than we do of the external morphology of the neanderthalers. I am therefore officially disassociating my name from that given in Heuvelmans' paper.


We are constrained to do this not only because we are personally averse to naming any specimen before it has been physically obtained and properly examined, but also more precisely because we are not convinced that this specimen is neanderthaloid or even a member of the genus Homo as presently constituted. Further still, it might not even be an Anthropoid, but rather a survivor of a line divergent from, and possibly lying between, the hominid and the pongid branches, but derived from a common ancestor to all three. In the absence of the corpus itself, as of the time of writing, and in view of our total lack of knowledge of the external morphology of any anthropoids other than the living hominids and pongids, we consider it to be most incautious to attempt to identify this specimen as of now, and more especially to confine it within a subspecific title. And anent this; one essential feature of this specimen seems to have been overlooked.


What can be seen of the conformation of the face, meaning the front of the head, in no way conforms to any known fossil hominid--apart from the juvenile australopithecoids-and particularly to that of any neanderthaler of comparable size. There is no prognathicism; virtually no browridges; the forehead does not slope acutely; the two teeth that can be seen are infantile. In fact, from what can be assessed of the anatomical structure of the fore part of the skull, this creature is almost as far removed from the standard neanderthaloid construction as is possible. In these same respects, it shows no more affinity with Home erectus, H. habilis (what is known of same), or more especially such 'lower' types as were once called pithecanthropines, australopithecines, or suchlike. In fact, if it does prove to be a hominid, by whatever criteria may be decided upon to define that family when and if it is examined, it might well be called Homo pongoides; but it most certainly should not be assigned to the neanderthal race or complex.


Our final conclusion, therefore, is that the specimen we inspected was that of a genuine corpse as opposed to a composite or a construction -- and that it is some form of primate. We would categorize it, as of now, as an anthropoid, but whether it is a hominid, a pongid, or a representative of some other previously unsuspected branch of that super-family we are not prepared either to say or even to speculate. There are certain firm indications that the specimen examined by Heuvelmans and this writer--though it has been removed from the place where we saw it, and hidden, while a substitute model has been installed--has not been destroyed and may therefore eventually become available for proper scientific examination. Until such time as this is achieved we advise that it serve only as a pointer to the possible continued existence of at least one kind of fully-haired, ultraprimitive, anthropoid-like primate, and be used only as a lever to pry open the hitherto hidebound notion that any such thing is impossible.

Officials caught in the act?

Earlier I saw this post on "Bigfootevidence.blogspot.com" I felt it was yet more information demonstrating government officials, or at least U.S. Forest Service personnel, being directly involved in matters concerning the Sasquatch. Here is that post:


I am a server in a nice restaurant in Washington. I had a table for lunch two days ago and one of my tables was having a heated discussion about what I think may have been bigfoot. I know this is kinda crazy but two of the guys seemed to be in charge but somehow different. Like maybe the one younger guy was in charge of his people and the other guy, who was older with white hair was in charge of his people. The older guy had two other guys with him and one was wearing a US Forestry Uniform. At first I thought he was a cop but our police uniforms don't look like his. That guy was answering the white hair guy, who was in a suit, always with "sir" like, yes sir, no sir, etc. As I was dropping off their appetizers they had several pictures on the table and I just picked one right up to check it out........bad move, the uniform guy practically jumped over the table and the younger guy who seemed to be in charge of the other guys quickly snatched it out of my hand. The white hair guy, very politician like smiled at me and said, its a bear and kinda nodded at me. It seemed a semi friendly response so trying to deescalate the situation I came back and kinda jokingly said "not any kind of bear I have ever seen" ........another mistake. The younger guy snapped and pointed to one of his guys who got up and came over to me and took my wallet out of my pocket and handed it to the younger guy who got my id out. He looked at it for a moment and then he said something like, "look we are going to tip you well, which is better for you than the alternative." then he said "what you saw was a bear and nothing more" BUT the way he said it was like, look man it was bear not matter what you saw! I am a film student, I pay attention to what I see, it was no bear. Anyway, as the meal went on I listened where I could and know for sure I heard something about tracking the "anomaly" in Tennessee. It struck me weird that he was saying anomaly instead of animal, "it", or anything like that...I also am positive I heard them say something about electronic tracking and that it was 100% fail proof and that the Tennessee test was proof.

That's what I heard and so I started googling and found this site, then I saw the "overheard" post and it seemed the right place to put this. I also maybe crazy and it might have just been a bear but I certainly don't like being threatened, although I did like the tip, 200 tip on 400 meal....

If anyone wants to help me find out who these guys are and if this is real then one of them dropped a business card out of his jacket and I got it.

Cover up in Oregon?

The following was sent to me recently, it is another in the growing list of stories being sent to me in what certainly looks like either official or at least officials working for governmental agencies taking an active role in the supression of physical and/or anecdotal evidence that supports the contention that giant manlike creatures exist. Here is his story:

This started with a family deer hunting trip in the Fall of 1966 by Myself, my father Harry, mother Lola, and our pet dog Suzi. We lived in a suburb of Salem, Oregon called Keizer, and were traveling to an area southeast of Bend, Oregon called China Hat Butte in the Deschutes National Forest. The trip was to have lasted 5 days, but got cut short due to some serious Bigfoot events. During the 2nd night in camp we heard a noise like NFL Linebackers crashing through the trees surrounding the camp, brush being kicked into, and small logs being thrown about. Our pet dog was frightened in a life or death manner. This lasted around an hour it seemed like. Then around 2 hours later my dad got up and left the tent to use the restroom (friendly bush). He came back after what seemed like a half-hour frightened in a way I'd never seen him like. He was beet-red in the face, and was breathing hard. He then made an announcement that we were returning home the next morning, and said that we were going to tell friends that hunters were shooting too close to camp. We tried to get some sleep, and left first thing in the morning. After we picked up some ice cream cones in Sisters, my dad made another announcement, "I will never return to China Hat Butte as long as I live".

Time to move this report around 10 months into the future, in the early Fall of 1967. My dad had started a secret letter-writing exchange with his fraternal twin sister Gladys. I knew of the letter writing, but my mother Lola had no clue. He would post the letters privately, without my mother's knowledge. Eventually he sort of slipped up on security a bit, and I was able to see partially the content of one of the letters. My dad was talking about getting  his brothers and sisters together for some sort of reunion, although I didn't know what that meant at the time. I was able to see other parts of letters (sent once per week). Eventually a near complete story came out in my 10 year-old mind. His brothers and sisters (brother Charles, sisters Hazel, and Gladys) would gather in the Fall of 1968 at the vacation cabin in LaPine, Oregon owned by brother Charles and wife Edna during deer season. They were going to use the Deer Season 1968 as cover to kill a big creature, or something, a beast? Bigfoot was not in the family lingo at the time. Let's back up and give you a feel for these family members. They were pioneering ranchers who settled the Fort Rock Valley of Northern Lake County, Oregon. They were trained as expert firearms persons from very little kids by a family connected to the Old West and Wyatt Earp's political machine. My dad was the best shot, so guess who would have been the main shooter on this trip? At Thanksgiving of 1967 my dad took his brother aside and brought him into the fold, I saw them both walk up the street after dinner to have a private conversation. The letters then indicated a planning meeting to be held at a motel in Bend, Oregon in early March of 1968. Then my dad started getting weaker physically as work became more demanding. By late September of 1968 my father suffered an aneyrism of the decending aorta relating to heavy smoking. Then died about 10 days later. But while he lay dying in the hospital, some strange events occured. I knew the storage place for the letter exchange file my dad kept, amongst his rockhound educational books and pamplets, BUT my mother had no knowledge of them. Then one day I was walking to school while my dad was in the hospital, and parked near our house, around the corner, and out of sight from the house was a Ford Falcon Station Wagon with US Forest Service markings and paint. No one was inside. When I returned home and checked the letter collection stash file, the letters were gone. All I've ever thought is that the Law Enforcement arm of the USFS broke into our home and took the letters. All without any warrent presented to our family! How would they have found the location? One way, only one way, and that was to bully a man laying dying in a hospital, my father Harry! After the death of my dad, the private contract postal station in our suburb of Keizer treated my mother and myself very rudely! Was there a USFS Law Enforcement intercept of our mail going on?